We have survived two days of CES 2025

Devindra: [00:00:00] What’s up everybody, that is Devindra Hardwar, Senior Editor at Engadget.

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Cherlynn: I am Deputy Editor Cherlynn Low.

Devindra: We’re right here what is that this, the start of evening considered one of CES formally?

Cherlynn: I suppose, yeah. I

Devindra: guess we’ve got already suffered by way of principally day minus one. Minus

Cherlynn: one and right this moment’s zero.

Devindra: One factor I would like our listeners to know is that we’ve got already seen numerous issues we sort of know the place the CES is headed. And, I feel this can be a cursed present Cherlynn. How do you are feeling about that? For all of us. For our

Cherlynn: workforce. Yeah, I feel I imply, Devindra, I will allow you to converse to your scenario, however we have had workforce members who’ve fallen deathly sick.

We have now additionally, like, individuals who have fully needed to miss their flights, worldwide flights. It has been fairly Engadget workforce, however we’ve got a very, actually good workforce of individuals. Everybody’s bought nice attitudes and, like, our spirits are excessive. Okay. You need to simply get the stuff going. So, yeah, no, and Devindra, you’ve gotten been struggling a bit of [00:01:00] bit.

Devindra: So, yeah, replace right here is I principally threw my again out the the day earlier than I needed to fly. So, I sort of was mentally simply making ready the way to fly with out caring a lot and simply being very easy on my again. However, you already know, I survived. And

Cherlynn: sitting in a aircraft for so long as you probably did could not assist both, proper?

Most likely did not assist.

Devindra: Fortunately I did a wise factor and I purchased a Consolation Plus improve with my factors forward of time. And I used to be like, I used to be going to be chill on the flight and it turned out that was simply crucial. Yeah, so CS is formally starting. We have now seen we have simply went by way of CS Unveiled yesterday.

A whole lot of embargoes and information got here out right this moment too. , a few of the largest information we have seen. Dell’s rebrand away from its personal PC names. To Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. There’s some new {hardware} from Intel and AMD. Yay! that they confirmed off and, you already know, simply sort of a typical CS stuff. What have been the bizarre stuff you noticed, Cherlynn, at at Unveiled?

Since you have been there amidst all of the bizarre devices.

Cherlynn: Yeah, and to be clear, given Devindra’s [00:02:00] harm, we’re, we’re having Devindra keep in place the place he’s, you already know, in a position to get better a bit of bit. So, Devindra wasn’t at Unveiled with me, so I will inform you about all these humorous issues we noticed at Unveiled.

Someway probably the most intriguing factor to this point is the pattern of Placing issues in your mouth at CES Unveiled.

Speaker 3: Okay.

Cherlynn: So, we’ve got like, a minimum of two issues which can be saliva detecting units. Uh huh, huh. Or like, you place a drop of saliva otherwise you put your like, a stick in your mouth or one thing. We

Devindra: will not be going to name this the Hawktwa CES, let’s not do this.

Dan

Cherlynn: Cooper positively not arising with a narrative based mostly round that. However the concept is that utilizing your saliva. Corporations can inform how a lot cortisol or different varieties like progesterone sorts of issues, hormones are inside your Or in you, proper? And so it is a bit to assist with burnout a bit to assist with like stress and well being after which there may be It is the salt spoon that everybody was licking at CES on day one.

That

Devindra: does not seem to be a superb [00:03:00] concept at a, at a convention. It

Cherlynn: was so, yeah, everybody’s felt prefer it was, initially it appeared a bit of icky, however the sales space was so crowded I went over and it seems they really had like particular person disposable variations of this spoon, the salt spoon per its title. It is a gadget that may mimic or simulate the, the flavour of umami or salt made by an organization known as Kirin.

Devindra: Okay.

Cherlynn: Which I consider makes some sort of condiment. That is the,

Devindra: they seem to be a soy sauce firm. Precisely.

Cherlynn: And so, it is the concept like, individuals need to reside more healthy, eat higher, and never have such a excessive sodium weight-reduction plan. So, however they nonetheless crave this style. We find it irresistible. We

Devindra: love umami. Precisely. Why do not

Cherlynn: we, why do not we use electrical in your tongue?

Devindra: That’s some dystopian, I hope the story about that is the way it’s made. That could be very dystopian. That is very like, you already know, Soylent Inexperienced or one thing the place we’re probably not consuming meals, however we’re feeling these type of like electrical impulses of meals.

Cherlynn: Triggering your tongue to really feel prefer it’s tasting one thing.

Simply to really feel alive. That is horrible. I do know. I, it is, it is, you requested me bizarre. And I used to be like, yeah, that [00:04:00] is fairly horrifying. However I am very intrigued. I nearly, so I used to be sort of ready in line, but it surely was so crowded at all times. And I had a lot different stuff to take a look at that, I did not actually get round to it.

There have been different issues, I feel, that turned up that, as unveiled, that have been very fascinating. Our workforce noticed a stringless guitar. There have been, like, a few zillion robots that every one sort of look very bizarre. After which, numerous mirrors you could, like, stand in entrance of and scan your self. And, lastly, I feel, the Stern Pinball Machine of the Yr is themed Dungeons Dragons.

Okay.

Devindra: Actually, simply actually hitting the nerd market completely. We did see Roborock’s flagship new robotic vacuum and that factor appears to be like cool as a result of they only added an arm to it. Prefer it has an extendable arm that may choose up socks and small issues from the ground. And I’m actually serious about seeing the race between Roomba all these different corporations.

I feel was one of many first to do like, okay, self cleansing. We’ll dump your vacuum into this greater container than the vacuum [00:05:00] can preserve going. Now all people’s doing that. Then Roomba and others individuals began doing like combo mops. And now it is identical to, we’re getting appendages. We’re getting, I feel one can climb stairs.

I noticed information about that.

Cherlynn: So Carissa is on the robotic vacuum for us, I suppose. And he or she bought an opportunity to take a look at the, yeah, the Roborock I am unable to bear in mind the precise. title, the way it’s pronounced, Safi or Safu Z70 and it we’ve got a video on the article on our web site in addition to on our Twitter. It is

Devindra: the Saros Z70, yeah.

Cherlynn: So shut, that was so shut. And yeah, that video reveals the robotic’s arm sort of popping out of its spherical disc like physique after which choosing up a sock that was in entrance of it. And never solely that, I assumed it could simply choose it up after which like, wipe after which transfer away and put it again down. No, it took it to a basket close by, like a laundry basket nearly, And positioned it in there.

So principally

Devindra: we’re nearly there. We’re nearly there to actual robotic helpers.

Cherlynn: So shut. This factor could be very shut. Who knew Roborock of all corporations would do it. I used to be like,

Devindra: it is a, it is actually fascinating to look at as a result of Roborock, I feel, yeah, it is a [00:06:00] Chinese language firm and these of us, like, particularly after they’re doing robotic stuff, like they’re simply barreling ahead as a result of they will make investments extra in R& D and stuff.

I would like, I’ve stated this earlier than. I would like one thing that may like unload my dishwasher,

Cherlynn: which is the

Devindra: course of that I feel like

Cherlynn: my dishwashing unloading remedy.

Devindra: load it up clear the kitchen identical to an actual rosy robotic scenario. That is what I would like

Cherlynn: I imply the opposite robotic vacuum that you simply’re speaking about that may climb upstairs.

I consider is the dreamy And yeah, it is fascinating to see or I used to be like why why would we’d like a robotic vacuum that may climb upstairs? However I suppose there are precise practical makes use of for the x50 robotic I do not know, man. 1, 700 only for it to, like, climb.

Devindra: I feel this can be a dangerous concept. This can be a dangerous concept, as a result of Typically, you need your robotic to be on one flooring.

Yeah! Upon getting stairs within the equation, then, like, it may fall. There may very well be all types of points. To me, that is not tremendous helpful. I have been room constructing for some time, and solely lately with two flooring. You choose it up, and you progress it to a different flooring when you have to. For those who’re tremendous [00:07:00] bougie, you’ve gotten a couple of Roomba.

You will have a Roomba port per flooring. Or you’ve gotten

Cherlynn: a budget one on the ground that does not matter as a lot because the costly one within the place that issues. And so they’re

Devindra: low-cost Roombas. You could possibly get a refurb Roomba for like 200, 300 bucks.

Cherlynn: Yeah.

Devindra: Comparatively, that is comparatively low-cost in comparison with how a lot they used to price.

Cherlynn: Nicely, this one, I imply, I suppose the, the shtick with this dreamy robotic is that it climbs up like a human. So it is not like type of propelling itself up in some unusual approach, going up on an incline, getting his rollers. It is like, God, some sort of like climbing mechanic. That is like. Bipedal? Is it bipedal? Is it like

Devindra: I’ve to take a better look.

The

Cherlynn: video appears to be like like wild and I am in such a CES fever dream that like, I’ve forgotten what it appears to be like like. A lot

Devindra: stuff. One other factor I need to discuss, the TVs seem to be, it looks as if wi-fi TVs are morbid factor proper now. Like LG and Samsung are totally doing it. All their flagships have wi-fi containers.

They are saying the lag is fairly good for gaming. I must, I must see that to see how a lot it really works. However I do assume that is a superb ache level for lots of [00:08:00] individuals. Folks hate Wires. Shifting behind their TVs. They hate, like, should you’re mounting a TV, it’s a must to, like, work out the place all of the wires are going to go.

So there’s that that firm Displace, which final 12 months had the suction TV with the battery, which I feel I known as it vaporware final 12 months. I do not assume they really shipped any. This 12 months they’re again. They’ve a soundbar. They are saying they’ll really ship stuff. I do not consider it. However, they’re again.

They’re right here.

Cherlynn: Is one 12 months sufficient time to see if the TV that may stick itself to your wall has fallen off but? what I imply? Like, is it time to name it secure if it hasn’t fallen off in a 12 months? Or ought to we give it one other 12 months? I do not know.

Devindra: It is my entire factor about trusting devices and trusting units, I can’t belief it.

Multi thousand greenback machine that’s simply hanging by my wall by suction cup.

Cherlynn: It is like one factor if it falls off and hurts itself, it is one other if it like takes down my wall with it, proper? Like, and my mattress and my glass desk or one thing. So yeah, there’s numerous stuff to be involved about, I feel.

Devindra: Boy AIPC continues to be a operating theme this 12 months.

AMD was actually large on an entire bunch of [00:09:00] new chips. They introduced the Ryzen AI Max chip, which they are saying goes to be in Halo merchandise, Halo Copilot Plus PCs. It is alleged to be actually highly effective. It has extra graphics than their different ones. Additionally they say it does higher rendering, like 3D rendering, higher than Intel’s chips.

As a result of AMD’s graphics are typically higher. They’ve like inbuilt Radeon cores. So, you already know, they’re sort of killing it. Intel was identical to, hey We have now AI chips too. They’re coming to gaming desktops. They’re coming to different issues.

Speaker 3: Yeah,

Devindra: they’ve core PC, core AI laptop computer chips that can be coming to gaming laptops as properly.

So, that is a factor. , the benefit of CES is you could see individuals and speak to individuals. So, I had a superb chat with Pavan Davaluri, who’s like the pinnacle of Home windows and Floor units from Microsoft. That was an off the report chat, however I can say it was good to have. That dialog to see what they’re excited about AI PCs.

Hopefully we’ll have him on for one more part of the gadget podcast, [00:10:00] however I suppose like CS is going on. Like when information is going on, these corporations are taking it critically. We’re speaking to excessive stage individuals. So it looks like a CS of your, I might say, regardless of being so cursed early on,

Speaker 3: I suppose,

Devindra: yeah, like stuff, it feels professional and actual in a approach that hasn’t for the previous couple of years.

However I imply, for

Cherlynn: you, possibly two a part of it’s the return to the bodily. Sure. Proper, as a result of it has been some time. And I feel that my normal sense is that curiosity in CES might need waned. I feel this 12 months too you already know, we have, we have had completely different observations about reveals from the current years and this 12 months feels much more like it’s one thing you might, it is like commoditizing issues for the sake of commoditizing issues a bit of bit and greater than ever really.

And it is very very like the Radio Shack present a bit of bit. However you already know, I’d say, I do not need to give away what we’re engaged on. So I’d say like, we’re, Come to Engadget. com come to our social media channels the place we have numerous movies going up We have really are bringing again our youtube channel for a bit of bit And the reside weblog we I’m in [00:11:00] reside weblog hell day-after-day for a bit of bit however it’s a enjoyable time as a result of reside blogs enable me to be a bit extra I feel private with our viewers Which is enjoyable like this podcast However I do need to shout out wish to your level like amd and intel Each have made their bulletins as of the time.

We’re recording this however We nonetheless do not know technically what NVIDIA goes to announce. And Nvidia has one of many, I wanna say probably the most hyped keynotes or speeches, this CES mm-hmm . What are you pondering that they’re going to do for CES?

Devindra: I imply, for the keynote, they sometimes hype up their AI initiatives or robotics initiatives.

And truthfully, issues that we do not sometimes report information on as a result of it is sort of pie within the sky stuff that may solely exist for a automotive producers or one thing. They do not actually contact shoppers. We’ll ultimately hear, more than likely, in regards to the new GeForce RTX GPUs. Possibly not tonight, however I’ve a superb sense like someday this week, NVIDIA will make that announcement.

And that’s the factor persons are actually ready to see. And I feel AMD sensed {that a} bit too. They briefly teased some details about the RDNA 4 [00:12:00] GPUs. Yeah, AMD additionally teased their RX 9070 GPUs. And that is fascinating too, simply the title is fascinating. As a result of you already know, AMD’s used to observe a completely completely different Radeon naming scheme.

Now they’re sort of aligning with what NVIDIA’s doing. So, this Radeon RX 9070 can be akin to no matter NVIDIA pronounces as a 5070 video card. Okay. So, it ought to make buying a bit of simpler. So there’s that. The RDNA 4 expertise goes to have AI upscaling, which is a factor we have knocked AMD towards earlier than.

As a result of their constancy impacts a brilliant decision for stuff. However simply could not compete with NVIDIA NVIDIA’s DLSS, in order that they’re gonna have a solution to that. However once more, identical to, temporary teases the information put up I wrote is just like the naked minimal we will even write as a result of they did not have a lot info.

They’re identical to, yeah, we could have new video playing cards, we could have new

Cherlynn: graphics. Is it claiming a spot,

Devindra: proper? Like, kinda? Yeah. Mainly. Whereas I feel NVIDIA’s gonna come right here and exhibit new {hardware}, new precise issues, so. We will see.

Cherlynn: Yeah.

Devindra: And I need to do possibly one or two [00:13:00] extra of those episodes, identical to recapping the place we’re Oh, all through the present?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we’re utilizing the DJI mic 2, or mic mini, so we will like sit down and report anyplace. Yep. We’re at our breakfast nook proper now. In

Cherlynn: the resort.

Devindra: Yeah. And possibly you will hear extra ambient noise than regular, but it surely, this can be a actually good strategy to have conversations. Yeah, it is quick. We hope to have some interviews from of us up quickly too.

With different

Cherlynn: members of the workforce. You will hear extra than simply the 2 of us. I feel, I promise you all of them sound superb and wonderful. I am making an attempt to consider like, whether or not there’s the rest that is of observe within the information that we have seen to this point, as a result of to your level, proper, CES is in full swing, actually. And we have been

Devindra: like, headstabbed.

Similar to, a lot stuff. Sherilyn’s been managing a lot of the like, sensible stuff and the scheduling stuff. Yeah, I’ve had like a pile of embargoes. All of us, like, all of the workforce

Cherlynn: has had piles of embargoes, which is like, it’s, like, to your level, sort of a return to type in that sense, but additionally looks like we have been masking this endlessly each CES.

We noticed just a few I do not know. A number of AI that [00:14:00] does not actually must be AI. We noticed numerous pet tech. We noticed numerous good dwelling. Man, ship us your ideas, actually, as far as we’re chugging alongside the present. Podcast at Engadget. com could be an ideal place to drop them. Oh my gosh LG’s bought all these bizarre merchandise that I feel we talked about even forward of coming to CES.

The place like, sure it is slapdick 2070 inch display screen on a microwave, however then lately we discovered what, it was a projector that appears like a stand fan or one thing? That is really

Devindra: sort of cool. Yeah, we gotta get some video of that stuff.

Cherlynn: Yeah, so loads, loads to look out

Devindra: for. Of the tales we have produced, I do need to shout out the stuff Sam and I did round Dell’s rebranding.

I wrote about Dell rebranding all of its PCs to sound extra like Apple, so take a look at that put up. However Sam had a very good rant known as Dell killing the XPS title is an unforced error. And that entire story is wild as a result of Dell’s principally obliterating all of its model names. They’re simply going to be Dell, Dell Professional and Dell Professional Max.

And to each of us, that sounds very Apple y. Wait, can I insert

Cherlynn: myself a bit of bit right here? As a result of it is not simply Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. [00:15:00] After I learn each of your posts, it’s the sub tiers that is not sensible. Like in the event that they simplified it really, it could simply be Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. Superb. However no, it could be Dell, Dell Professional, after which below every, there is likely to be the premium label and the plus label.

So it may very well be the Dell Professional Plus. Yep. However versus the Dell non professional premium. So the Dell premium continues to be worse than the Dell Professional Plus?

Devindra: Sure.

Cherlynn: My goodness. What? And then you definitely throw within the numbers. There’s numbers. They’re coming again. A number of the numbers

Devindra: are coming again. The desktops are sort of ridiculous as a result of on the occasion Sam and I have been at, they confirmed off The Dell Professional Max Micro and the Dell Professional Max Mini, which you’ve gotten the identical title inside your title.

You might be conflicting what this machine really is, and I discover that to be fully ridiculous. So, take a look at Sam and my rant about that factor. I additionally did a video up on YouTube, and for as soon as, the YouTube commentators appear to be on our aspect. Sure, they’re proper.

Cherlynn: They’re proper. We’re proper, and Dell [00:16:00] is just not proper.

And so I’m glad you pointed it out. It appeared like lots of people resonated with that story on our aspect as properly. It is an entire

Devindra: factor. And I’ll say I do not miss just like the, I do not miss numerous the manufacturers like Inspiron and no matter, but it surely’s extra like XPS. Eliminating XPS looks as if a mistake. Falling within the footsteps of Apple looks as if a very weak transfer.

Cherlynn: Of all of the issues to do as a result of look, I lined HP’s pivot to 1 model as properly when that occurred final 12 months. And HP had a superb sense to only, after they say simplify, they imply. Simplify to their very own model. In order that they did Omnibook, proper? Which isn’t Professional Max. Superb. It is their very own title. For Dell to inform you that they are not copying Apple, and I am not saying they did say that to you, however like, they kind of urged that these are trade phrases.

They did say that

Speaker 3: to me. However

Cherlynn: like, if HP can achieve this with out invoking the phrases Professional and Max, why cannot you, Dell?

Devindra: That is principally what I requested Michael Dell, the CEO of Dell, at this occasion the place Dell. com. He was there to announce this entire factor and so they have been asking [00:17:00] questions from the viewers. So yeah, I shot my hand up and I used to be like, my direct query to him was, what does Dell have to achieve by copying Apple?

And Michael Dell didn’t look too happy.

Cherlynn: In fact he did. He

Devindra: I imply for him too, it is like, oh, now my names are all Dell, Dell, Dell. So it is like higher for him and his ego. Yeah, yeah, his

Cherlynn: title, yeah, yeah. And I

Devindra: really feel like that could be a part of it, however I’ve talked to lots of people at Dell, like Different individuals, individuals working throughout the PC design stuff and no one was enthusiastic about this transformation.

In fact

Speaker 3: not, why? As a result of

Devindra: their infants are all gone. Just like the individuals who work on Inspiron and Precision and the whole lot, the manufacturers they commit their lives to are gone. And now they should reside with these new manufacturers and I do not know if persons are going to be as excited. So anyway, that is going to be a protracted ongoing story.

Try our protection in all of its many kinds. I feel that is going to be one of many large takeaways from the CS. Del type of, simply taking pictures itself within the foot right here. And no one appears to love it besides Del, besides Michael Del.

Cherlynn: Yeah. I need to shortly shout out that the Samsung press convention simply wrapped and we realized two issues of observe.

One, that the [00:18:00] Bali rolling robotic goes to really retail this 12 months, they are saying. However they did say that final 12 months too. After which we do not know a worth but. We simply know it’ll be the primary half of the 12 months is what they stated on stage. After which the second factor is that they introduced the dates of Galaxy Unpacked.

It’ll occur? January twenty second. So thanks quite a bit, Samsung, as a result of proper after CES, a few of us can be heading straight into preparation for Samsung Galaxy S8. Let

Devindra: Cherlynn take a break. That is the message of this 12 months. By no means,

Cherlynn: by no means taking place. Alright, we

Devindra: will, we’ll be again with extra updates about CES. Drop us an e mail, of us, podcastinggadget.

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Cherlynn: music suggestions! Oh

Devindra: yeah, possibly we should always simply open up a playlist and have individuals add songs to it. Anyway, we’re out of us, thanks.

Cherlynn: Bye!